外国人が語る、「日本と欧米のコメディの違い」

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 18:42:14 2012 No.68693136


日本と欧米のコメディの主な違いって何だろう？
日本のコメディって欧米に比べるとすごく控えめな感じがするし、日本人は欧米のコメディを見て爆笑するのかな？それとも不快だと思うのかな？

それと、何で誰もツンデレロリのスタンダップ・コメディアンを主役にしたアニメを作らないんだ？


名無しさん Tue Jul 17 18:46:27 2012 No.68693271
平均的な日本のコメディ：
キャラクターAが何かバカな事を言ったりやったりする
キャラクターBがそれを指摘する

まあそうは言っても、時々はこれも面白いと思うんだけどね

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 18:48:03 2012 No.68693327
>>68693271
うん、俺も何故か欧米のコメディよりmanzaiスタイルのコメディの方が好きだわ

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 18:50:43 2012 No.68693425
俺は日本のコメディすごく好きだけどな（キルミーベイベー、日常、クロマティ）


Anonymous Tue Jul 17 18:55:36 2012 No.68693595
バラエティ番組はマジで面白い

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 19:03:17 2012 No.68693814
>>68693595
3分半見ただけでもう爆笑したｗｗ

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 18:58:00 2012 No.68693656
>>68693595
>テレビ番組で堂々とアニメをネタにする

これは本当に日本って感じだな

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 18:59:58 2012 No.68693710
>>68693595
マジかよ、どのコメディアニメにも、裸を見られた女性キャラが男をフルボッコにするシーンがあるのはこれが理由なのか？
これが日本のコメディなの？

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 19:08:41 2012 No.68693975
>>68693710
これはただ二人をくだけた言葉遣いにさせて、間違って敬語を使っちゃった時に笑いになるってだけだよ
それによゐこはツッコミが居ないコンビだし

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 19:56:06 2012 No.68695355
日本のコメディのほとんどは、誰かがバカな事をして他の誰かがそいつをバカだなって言うパターンか、漢字/言葉の駄洒落だろ

まあそうは言っても、日本人がこういうのを面白がるとも思えないけど。これは俺らバージョンの漢字ジョークだしな




Anonymous Tue Jul 17 20:18:02 2012 No.68695961
良質なコメディって大抵は何らかの知識と結びついてるんだよね
その知識がマイナーで細かくなればなるほど面白くなる


Anonymous Tue Jul 17 20:47:59 2012 No.68696737


個人的にはオーバーアクション過ぎたり、大げさにジョークを説明したりするのは嫌いだな。これが理由で銀魂にはいまいちハマれなかった。とは言え、ツッコミが静かで賢い漫才は好きだけどね。エロネタ満載だけど、生徒会役員共は気持ちのいいテンポと津田のツッコミのお陰で大好きなコメディーの一つだ（『日常』で感じた大きな問題点の一つだけど、日本人は一つのギャグを引っ張りすぎなんだよな）

苺ましまろは変態的な『カルビンとホッブス』って感じで面白かったし、男子高校生の日常は素晴らしくて気まずくなるユーモアの宝庫だった。クロマティは明らかにシュールコメディ寄りだし、基本的にどんな作品でも他作品への言及とかパロディがあったりするし

日本に、例えばモンティ・パイソンに相当するものがあるかどうかは分からないけど、彼らには多くの人が思ってるより色んな種類のユーモアがあるよ


Anonymous Tue Jul 17 18:57:32 2012 No.68693643


日本人はパロディがすごく上手いよね


Anonymous Tue Jul 17 18:59:50 2012 No.68693703
日本人もサウスパークは大好きみたいだけど

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 19:32:30 2012 No.68694681
>>68693703
彼らがサウスパークを好きなのは、ショタキャラで二次創作カップリングを作ってるからだよ。特にバターズで。いやマジで

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 19:03:14 2012 No.68693812
DONDAKE


Anonymous Tue Jul 17 19:05:57 2012 No.68693884
翻訳の過程で失われるものがどれくらいあるんだろうっていつも思うわ。コメディの99%はタイミングと言い方とニュアンスだし、そういうのって多分字幕を読んでるだけじゃ分かんないよな


Anonymous Tue Jul 17 19:07:14 2012 No.68693923
絶望先生

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 20:10:27 2012 No.68695760
>>68693923


これ

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 19:08:30 2012 No.68693969 

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 20:02:38 2012 No.68695558
>>68693969
この番組は昔から面白いよな

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 19:11:37 2012 No.68694070
>それと、何で誰もツンデレロリのスタンダップ・コメディアンを主役にしたアニメを作らないんだ？

じょしらく
まあロリではないけど似たようなもんだろ
それに日常系アニメならどれでも何らかの形でmanzai的なやりとりがしょっちゅうあるし。みなみけなんてそればっかりだったな

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 20:14:50 2012 No.68695877
じょしらくはシットダウン・コメディ

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 20:16:34 2012 No.68695922
>>68695877
ちょっとワロタ

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 19:11:51 2012 No.68694080



Anonymous Tue Jul 17 19:15:45 2012 No.68694169


東方だけどキャラクターを知ってると滅茶苦茶おもろい

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 22:14:59 2012 No.68699376
>>68694169


ちくわぶのくだりは毎回笑うわｗｗ雛バカスｗｗ

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 19:17:45 2012 No.68694234
俺ドイツ人だけどアメリカの笑いはクソ
イギリスはまあまあ

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 19:45:58 2012 No.68695055
>>68694234
俺アメリカ人だけど、ドイツ人ってどうせ何見たって笑わないのにお前らに何の関係があるんだ？

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 19:50:34 2012 No.68695193
>>68695055
アメリカ人って笑ってないとユーモアを楽しんでないんだってマジで信じてるんだよな
laugh track（録音した笑い声）を使うのもそれで説明がつくわ

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 18:49:05 2012 No.68693363
俺が他の国よりコメディが優れてると思う国ってどういう訳かオーストラリアだわ
オーストラリアのコメディアンは涙が出るくらい笑える


Anonymous Tue Jul 17 19:21:21 2012 No.68694336


>>1は銀魂はどうよ？

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 19:22:34 2012 No.68694375
>>68694336
銀魂はほとんどが（悪くない）ドタバタコメディだけど、シチュエーションがどんどん過激になってく所とかキャラクターのユーモアが日本の作品にしてはすごく良い

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 19:45:58 2012 No.68695056
日本のコメディで笑ったことはあるけど、声を出して笑った事は一度も無いな

目の端に涙が浮かんで、無言で、腹筋が崩壊して、息が出来ないで、救急車を呼んでほしいぐらい笑った事ならあるけど

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 19:50:19 2012 No.68695183
>>68695056
俺もフルメタル・パニックふもっふは何度かそうなったけど、あれは多分ミリタリー/ゲイ・フットボールプレーヤーの奴らが原因かな。このアニメはかなり欧米のコメディっぽかった

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 21:02:09 2012 No.68697103
>>68695183
同意。あとクロマティと荒川アンダーザブリッジも。でも、ふもっふはアニメだけじゃなくあらゆるメディアで見た作品の中で一番面白かったかも


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Anonymous Tue Jul 17 21:06:39 2012 No.68697212
>>68695056
男子高校生の日常の星占いのネタは、今までアニメで見た中で最高に笑ったものの一つだったな
結局4回見て、もう二度とこれを初見で見れないのが悲しくなった

Anonymous Tue Jul 17 20:15:10 2012 No.68695889
最高のコメディは自分の文化のコメディだよ
これは議論の余地のない人生の法則

■http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/68693136/

Comments

[1 Anonymous]

日本のスタイルを好いてくれてる人がいるってのはなんだかんだでうれしいよね、

[2 Anonymous]

銀魂のハードルは外国人には高すぎるだろｗ

Ｂｚやアニメ、レンホーネタなんかはまだ分かりやすいけど
キャバクラ、ソープ、デリヘル、ドリフ、ひょうきん族とか
日本人のおっさんしか理解できないネタが満載だぜ

[3 名無しさん]

漫才でシビアなコンテスト開いてるあたりが、日本の特徴か

[4 Anonymous]

日本のコメディは政治ネタがほぼ存在しないのが特徴かな

[5 Anonymous]

DTは好かれてんだな

[6 Anonymous]

ガキの使いとか海外でもうけてるよね

[7 Anonymous]

結構欧米のコメディもこっちでウケが良いと思うけどね
だいぶ前になるけどもビーンだって日本でも盛大に受けたし

[8 Anonymous]

最近だと、しばいぬ子さんがたまに販促的に面白いことがあるね

[9 お]

理解しようとすれば、それが面白さにも繋がるよね

[10 Anonymous]

欧米人が言うところの良質なコメディってのは、日本だと落語が感覚的に近いかな？

[11 名無し]

字幕で見るか見ないかの違いでしょ。変な格好して馬鹿やるだけのは海外でも受けるだろうけど、言葉で笑わせるのに字幕必死に読んでたら瞬間の笑いは生まれないだろ

[12 Anonymous]

間と緩急を極限まで煮詰めた職人芸も
字幕ではどうもならん

[13 7]

異文化間の理解で最もハードルが高いのが笑いの感覚だと思ってる。
海外から映画やドラマや音楽やスポーツを勝手に取ってきて楽しんでる日本なのに、コメディーだけはほとんど入ってこないもんな。

[14 名無しさん]

東方M-1の翻訳動画って視聴されてる国がだいたいアメリカ・カナダ・フィンランド･･･
どういうルートでたどり着くのか謎だけど
ああいうモロに日本っぽい漫才を普通に観て笑ってくれるのは嬉しい
あとアンジャッシュの翻訳動画もけっこう観られてる

[15 名無しさん]

コメディはまだ笑えるけど外国のジョークだけは無理

[16 名無しさん]

コメディじゃないけど外国人のネットの書き込みって面白い
煽りあいでもニヤっとする

[17 Anonymous]

お笑いとかコメディって文化だから、その国の文化を知らないと面白くないもんだよ、て糸井重里が昔言ってた

[18 名無しさん]

笑いって育ってきた環境もろ影響受けるからな
自国が一番なのは当たり前

[19 Anonymous]

オーストラリアのコメディってのが気になるな
スタンダップコメディなのかな？
スペインのどつき漫才は滅茶苦茶面白かった

[20]

笑いには国境がありまくりだな･･･
下手すると国境どころか地域ごとですら笑いのツボが違う

[21 名無しさん]

自分は、笑点しかみないな。最近の日本の漫才ってか芸人は、レベル落ちてるし。笑点なら、民主党(政治家)の事とかネタにして笑ってるし。

[22 名無しのサッカープレイヤー]

アメリカ人のジョークは面白いというより「なるほど・・」
で終ってしまうんだけどな俺は。
松ちゃんが、俺は破壊力のある笑いが好きって言ってたけど
日本のお笑いは即効性があるというか一発でドカンと来る。
自分がバカになってみせるという姿勢の方がが好き。

[23 Anonymous]

エンタ芸人みたいな一発芸系の連中は酷いけど、ああいうの除けばレベル高い方だと思う
アンジャッシュとかは言語の問題さえなければどこでもウケそう(日本語ネタも多いけど)

[24 名無しさん]

サウスパークはネタが理解できれば面白い部分と突き抜けすぎた表現が単純に面白い部分がある

[25 名無しさん]

シットダウン・コメディアンとか書こうとおもてたら
外人に先に書かれてた

[26 Anonymous]

サウスパーク普通におもしろいじゃん

[27 Anonymous]

漫才でのボケ・ツッコミは好きなんだけど、娯楽作品のコメディシーンでのツッコミは何だかくどく感じる
おかしなことやってるやつがそのままスルーされる方がなんか笑える

[28 あ]

笑いでもなんでも受け手のセンスのほうが問われるからなぁ
わかる奴は5パーしかいない

[29 Anonymous]

観客が女だらけになってから明らかにレベル落ちたわ
何の芸もない一発芸ばかり

[30 Anonymous]

エンタ全盛期の頃は本当に酷かったな

[31 Anonymous]

死ぬかと思うほど笑ったといえばコレ
www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9982824
深い時間に観たってのもあるけど。

[32 名無し]

日本の笑いなら落語を語れ

[33]

おあとがよろしいようで

[34 Anonymous]

アニメの突っ込みは寒いのが多い気がする
銀魂なんて突っ込みないほうがいい感じ

[35]

ファイアボールが最近では面白いと思ったが、反応あんま聞かないな。

[36 Anonymous]

松本が日本の笑いがナンバー1とか言ってた時期あったけど
考えてみりゃ文化が違えば笑うツボなんて変わってくるし優劣のつけようがない

[37 Anonymous]

お笑いのキモって常識とのギャップだからな
常識自体が国ごとによって違うんだから、笑いの感覚も違って当然

[38 Anonymous]

アンジャッシュのコントって翻訳できるんかいな

[39 名無しさん]

>コメディの99%はタイミングと言い方とニュアンスだし、

どこの国の人か知らないが、よくわかってらっしゃる。
99%は言いすぎだが、その国の言語特有のニュアンスや間を理解できないと
その国のコメディを100%理解する事は不可能だよねぇ

[40 名無しさん]

フルハウス、アルフ、シーバー家
この辺のホームコメディなら見てたな
どれも面白かった

[41 Anonymous]

アメリカはブラックジョークばっか

[42]

>>※35
探せば海外の反応を扱ったサイトも見つかると思うけど
あれも日本語に堪能でないとわからん部分が多いと思う

[43 名無しさん]

あべこうじは主流じゃないけど頑張ってスタンダップコメディやってるよね。
テレビ出てもタレントみたいなことしかやらせてもらえないけど・・・。

[44 名無しさん]

自分の中ではチュートリアルとアンタッチャブルの全盛期のコントが一番好き

[45 Anonymous]

ドイツ人とアメリカ人のやりとりが妙にツボったｗ　この二人で漫才やってもらいたいｗ

[46]

モンティパイソンから毒を抜いてを子供向けにしたのがドリフだからな
なんだかんだで日本のコント芸はイギリス由来

[47 Anonymous]

あまりにも芸達者だと笑いよりも感心が先に来ちゃうんだよな
ちょっと強引なくらいが一番笑える

[48 Anonymous]

ちなみに途中の動画の東方の奴は、コミケで配られてる同人アニメなんだけど、
漫才で普通に食ってる人が脚本書いてるんだよねこれ。

だからネタとかもキャラの部分を除くとそのままリアルな漫才にも流用できるようになってる
（というかネタ帳とかからアニメ用に流用したんだろうけどね）

[49 名無しさん]

外国には理解されないかと思ったけど
そうでもないんだな
アニメネタは全く分からん

[50 名無しさん]

フルハウスはとMrビーンは面白い

[51 名無し]

日本のコメディーは話術で人を笑わすのに世界で一番優れていると思う。
海外はチャップリンみたいな、顔芸や動きで笑わかそうとするが
正直、やっている人の見た目が面白くない
見てい側としては、シラケる。

[52 名無し]

ダウンタウンを越えるコメディアンは世界にいない。

[53 ニコニコ名無しさん]

銀魂は俺も好きじゃない
純粋に９割方寒い

[54 Anonymous]

海外との違いは日本は世界的に稀なレベルのほぼ同一民族だからあうんの呼吸のニュアンスの笑いが多い。
海外の人に伝わるようにしたら日本人にはクドいだけだからね。
あと最近は作り込んだネタを見る機会が減ったけど、
笑いの基本を理解していないと出来ないアドリブ話術芸がかつてなく花開いている。一昔前までは殆どいなかった。

このアドリブ話術芸こそ一般の人でも日常生活で使える芸。
それに作り込んだネタは面白いといっても２・３回見れば飽きるのでコスパが悪い。
プロもM-1とか映画とか野心的な見返りを期待する対象以外はやらない。

[55 名無し]

外国人は顔立ちが整い過ぎてるから、変顔しても全然面白くないんだよな。
日本人のお笑いの人の方がユーモアがあった雰囲気で面白い。

[56 ・]

アメトークのガンダム芸人やジョジョ芸人は
ファンサブで出回ってないんかな

[57 Anonymous]

ドイツ人のジョークやコメディ漫才ってちょっとあれなんだよなあ・・・
時々その手のやつテレビで見たり、ドイツ人との会話できかされることあるけど・・・

[58 Anonymous]

コメディーじゃ無いけど
いわゆるお笑い芸人が意味不明な単語を連発して
それをギャグと称するのは止めて欲しいね

[59 Anonymous]

日本語は同音異義と擬音豊富でもの凄くお笑いに活用できる利点がある。

[60 Anonymous]

>>58
別に構わないんじゃない?
一々一つ一つ明確な意味を求める笑いって結構しんどいよ。
ドイツ人のジョークがその類。

[61 Anonymous]

あと、日本語は割と罵り言葉、卑猥語（それも隠語的じゃない）などがこれでも少ない方だけど、もうそういう言葉が豊富な言語の漫才は、マジに聞くに堪えない。　それらの多用と連発、大声でギャンギャンと叫ぶだけで場を押し切る。

[62 Anonymous]

>>54
うん、アドリブ技は天才的だと思うｗ

[63 Anonymous]

日本は声優でもアフレコで本人のアドリブ技にそのシーンのセリフ任されちゃう人いるからねｗ
海外でそれはほとんどありえんわｗ

[64 名無しさん]

海外の反応サイトでまさるさんとかジャガーとかみたことない
日本のお笑いテイスト満載の銀魂が受けてるなら
受けそうだけど翻訳が難しいのかそもそも翻訳されてないのか
アニメじゃないと見ないのかうーん

[65 Anonymous]

映像に頼るお笑いテイスト以外の言葉遊びや特定の背景に左右されるお笑いはそれを外国人や他の言語で伝えるのはすごく難しいと思う。

[66 Anonymous]

正直翻訳過程で面白さはかなり失われてると思うんだが・・・ｗ


ってそのことに言及してる奴もいるよね

[67 名無しさん]

福岡でFUJIWARAの番組が放送されたら
華大は実はあんまり面白くないって事に気づいたってのは笑った。今の華大は面白いけどな。
日本人は海外の笑いに対して、そういう経験はしてない
ネットで幾らでも出回ってるはずだけど
中国韓国では、日本の笑いが進んでるってのは時々聞くな。
ハプニング系とか動物系は普遍的。
どこが面白いとかは分からんが、テレビに限定すれば、笑いの要素を一番大事にしてるのは日本だと思う。
日本でも関西は特にそう。

[68 名無しさん]

おい、ドリフは！

[69 Anonymous]

一番最後のレスには同意同意アンド同意

[70 名無しさん]

さすがに米欄でも日本の笑いが世界一とか言い出すアホいないなｗ
こんなの自国のが一番理解できるに決まってんだから

[71 Anonymous]

※67
ないない
「最高のコメディは自分の文化のコメディだよ」の言うとおり
地元でも華大は福岡の方言や表現がバリくそコテコテで面白いんだよ
東京の番組だと華大はほとんど標準語だからなんか硬くてつまらん
九州の人じゃないようだけど「そりくり返る」って言葉で吹いたりできるん？

海外コメディで日本で結構皆見てたと言えば最近だとリトルブリテンくらいか？
それでも10年前だもんなあ…
なんだかんだ今もアブファブとかtheオフィスとか放送されてるからダラダラ見るけどシュール系は笑えなくて駄目だわ
しかし基本イギリスコメディは志村けん並みに下品で、アメリカのコメディは寒い

[72 Anonymous]

M-1のブラマヨが優勝したときの笑い飯のネタ（モンローのハッピーバースディ・トゥ・ユー）、あれ絶対アメ人にうけると思うんだけど…知られてないんだよなあ。もったいない。

[73 Anonymous]

シットダウン・コメディｸｿﾜﾛﾀｗ

[74 Anonymous]

落語は、どう受け止めているんだろうな。
駄洒落も多いけど、わりと静かで知的な笑いもあるんだけど。

[75 名無しさん＠ネタさか2ch]

アメリカで主流のスタンドアップコメディってネイティブ並みに英語が理解できてアッチの社会にも詳しくないと分からない

[76 Anonymous]

ウッチャンのコントは好きだったなあ
笑う犬、ウリナリの頃までが全盛だった・・

[77 Anonymous]

笑いの話でアニメが出てくるって何なの？

[78 Anonymous]

リンカーンでやった着ぐるみ運動会は
息ができなくなるほど笑った。

[79 Anonymous]

面白いコメディ作る人って物事を冷静に見ることができる人だよね
尊敬する

[80 Anonymous]

なんというつまんない締め

[81 名無しのはーとさん]

●笑えるかどうかは文化理解

笑いが解る、笑えるかどうかってのは、結局「その国の文化をどれだけ理解してるか」だからな。　あとは、その国にその人に合う感覚の文化の多様性があるかどうか。　受け手の感覚が貧弱でも、多様な文化があればその人に合うものはある。

日本の文化は世界に学んでる分、笑いにも多様性がある。　日本人だって笑えないものも沢山あるように、外国人が日本の笑いを見ても、笑えないものは沢山あるだろうが、要は「笑えるものがどれくらいあるか」だな。　欧米では思想文化が発達してる分、笑いのレベルも高いのではと思いがちだが、多様性は意外と無いし、国によっても事情は全然違う。

話題への感覚も、「倫理的風刺」を娯楽とする中東社会や、戦争・貧困の国では、笑いの土台が違う。　差別も同じだが、暴力排斥の動きの強い地域では、日本の「ツッコミ」に嫌悪感しか感じない人もいる。

　人種混交の時代・・・昔はアメリカのコメディが最も多様性があったが、「アメリカこそが世界の中心」と思い込んだ辺りから自分達だけの感受性で突っ走って世界に受け入れられにくくなって行ってるように思う。

[82 あ]

アニメの話ばっかりじゃねぇか

[83 Anonymous]

じゃアニメじゃない話
ユーモアやジョークって、古今東西問わず、現実の社会や政治といったものすらネタに笑いとばすところに大きな意味があると思うんだが（もちろんそれが全てじゃないが）、今の日本の芸人は権力に取り込まれて、大手メディアに迎合するばっかだな。しかも、視聴者と喧嘩するなんていう天に唾吐く真似平気でするし。

[84 Anonymous]

吉本も政治ネタすればいいんじゃないかな、
生活保護のこととかｗ

[85 Anonymous]

DTが受けているのって殆どが罰ゲームコント
しゃべりの方が面白いのにな、わかりにくいのか？
なのに銀魂が受けているのがわからない
理解出来るのか？
日本でも好き嫌いがハッキリわかれそうな作品なのに

[86 名無しさん＠ネタさか2ch]

松ちゃんが昔「アメリカ人を笑わせに行こう」っていう電波少年の企画で「ＳＡＳＵＫＥ」っていう映画作ったとき、「100点の笑いではアメリカ人に伝わらない、全力で60点のものを作ろう」って言って、ヤヤウケに終わって肩を落として帰ってたけど、あれ最初から100点の笑いで行っとけば大爆笑取れたと思う。もったいないことしたなあ・・・

[87 Anonymous]

東方M-1出てるのに驚いたが外人って漫才わかるのか

[88 Anonymous]

100点目指すと「トカゲのおっさん」みたいなのが

[89 名無しさん＠ネタさか2ch]

ゴレンジャイは日本に於ける一つの頂点だよなぁ。半分くらい出オチだけどw
あの頃のごっつええ感じは神掛ってたわ。
あれ以上の面白いのは以後見た事無い。

世界レベルだとモンティパイソンかな。しかしやっぱまだ字幕ないと苦しいw

[90 名無しさん]

フルメタやらクロマティ高校やらは、あくまでも欧米人でもわかるネタ
(映画FMJが元ネタとかクイーンのフレディみたいなキャラとか)
が出てくるってだけで、欧米のコメディっぽいとは、ちーとも思わないが…
むしろノリは完全に日本のギャグ漫画だよなぁ。

シチュエーションに共感できなかったり何の暗喩だか理解できなければ、コメディって基本ポカーン(　ﾟдﾟ)だし
単に自分達が知らないシチュやネタを面白く感じないってだけだよね。

しかし、「きゃー何とか君のえっちードカーン」みたいな
萌え系のお約束ギャグは下らないから、あれは日本のユーモア
俺らにもわかって笑えるネタはハイブロウなユーモアに決まってるから、それは欧米的
という傲りは何とかならんもんか…

[91 Anonymous]

＞71
横からだけどFUJIWARAの件は華大本人が謙遜なしで言ってた事だよ。
笑いは文化理解だけではなく、当然レベルの問題もあるからね。
事務所の方針でご当地芸人として温室育ちだからね。

[92]

ドリフは日本語判らなくても欧米人が笑えそう

[93 あ]

お笑い芸人より俳優とかが面白い事してた方が笑える

[94 Anonymous]

昔のタモリは､風刺とシニカルな描写が絶妙で、向こうの連中にもかなりうけてたぞ｡

[95 Anonymous]

下品なのは苦手
あと、笑えない冗談や危険なのも。

[96 Anonymous]

ユーモアやジョークって、古今東西問わず、現実の社会や政治といったものすらネタに笑いとばすところに大きな意味があると思うんだが（もちろんそれが全てじゃないが）、今の日本の芸人は権力に取り込まれて、大手メディアに迎合するばっかだな。しかも、視聴者と喧嘩するなんていう天に唾吐く真似平気でするし。
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ユーモアやジョークは昔から権力に逆らっているように見えて、より悪質な権力に媚びていることが少なくなかった。

劇場、舞台、展覧会、オークション、テレビなど、有らゆるメディアで出演出展出品を認められないと活躍の場は存在しなかった。

今は政治的な権力の後ろの資本の権力が見えやすくなっただけでは？

[97 名無しうしろー！]

＞ドリフは日本語判らなくても欧米人が笑えそう

欧米人じゃないが、つべのドリフ動画(下ネタ系)は中国人ホイホイ
あと今は知らないけど、昔は聴覚障害者の学校の寮でも人気番組だったらしい ＞ドリフ

[98]

>銀魂なんて突っ込みないほうがいい感じ

銀魂の場合、

「突っ込みというのは　ボケのおかしな点を分かりやすく教えて
やるという役割も担っていますが」
「こうもおかしな点を丁寧に拾われると　逆に冷めます」
「突っ込みなんかはかえって適当な方が　効果的だったりします」

・・・という、銀さんのダメダシが既にされている通り、もう確信犯で、
冷める読者を切り捨てているとしか。
だから変える気はないのだろう。

[99]

アニメでコメディを語るなよ

[100 Anonymous]

＞アニメでコメディを語るなよ
どうして？、今回はみんな、とても面白いよ。

[101 Anonymous]

言葉遊びは相当に他言語を究めないと面白さは分からないんだろうな
モンティ・パイソンのスケッチもストーリー仕立てのナンセンスジョークは大好きだけど
言葉遊びや訛りの面白さが入ってくると言葉の壁も手伝って俺にはきつい
日本アニメのギャグは日本市場しか意識してないだろうから言葉遊び多めだけど
もしまっとうに輸出がされて海外市場も意識するようになるとギャグの形も変わるんだろうな多分

[102 Anonymous]

記事中にある“『日常』で感じた大きな問題点の一つだけど、日本人は一つのギャグを引っ張りすぎなんだよな”の部分だけど
別に日本人が引っ張るのが好きなんじゃなくてアニメ制作側に笑いのセンスがないだけで面白い漫才とかはもっとテンポ良い
アニメでお笑いを理解しようとしないで欲しいな

[103 Tekuteku]

日本語では人称の選び方や語尾の変化だけで微妙にニュアンスを変えることができますね。英語の翻訳ではやっぱりそのあたりが大雑把になってしまう。
日本のお笑いを論評するなら、やっぱり日本語が理解できる人じゃないと無理だと思いますよ。細かい部分が分からない。

[104 Anonymous]

バターズのＢＬか．．．　マニアックだな

[105 Anonymous]

反応はとても嬉しいけれど、やはりそれでも氷山の一角として心の中に留めておいた方が良さそうかも。
芸人の体を張ったお笑いなんかは欧米では嫌悪されたりもするしな。

シンプソンズが日本にくる(国内未放映)話だとその様子が伺えるよね

[106 名無しさん]

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[107 名無しさん]

チャップリン・落語大好きな自分て少数派なんかね
落語（一人芝居）もチャップリン（無声映画）も演技力一つで
笑わせるわけだから
同じものだと思うのだが
同じ台本落語でもヘタッピがやって笑えるものじゃないしね

[108 Anonymous]

＞良質なコメディって大抵は何らかの知識と結びついてるんだよね

これどうよ？
元ネタがある笑いって、作るの簡単だよ。時事ネタかませば良いんだからな
ネタ作りの大本が既にあるから、作業の大半はネタ選びだけ。それに自分なりのセンスで笑いに転化させるだけ

爆笑問題の漫才がこれなんだけど、ただ時事ネタや政治やらを面白おかしく話してるだけなんだよな。
　そんなのより、くだらなくてもゼロから自分たちでネタ作って行く方が遙かに難しい。
時事ネタやパロディこそ質の低い笑いだと思うんだけどな

[109 Anonymous]

鳥居みゆきって案外政治ネタや社会ネタやってるんだけど、構成がすごいんだよなあ
赤ずきんちゃんに連合赤軍当てはめた紙芝居ネタが凄いよく出来てる。

[110 Anonymous]

＞＞良質なコメディって大抵は何らかの知識と結びついてるんだよね
全く違うと思うよ。
日本は比較的に歴史的にも格差が少なく社会問題の
少ない社会だったから
お笑いも
社会問題を扱わない、言い換えれば役に立たない、為にならない、
メッセージ性もない笑いが求められてきたんだよ。
でもそれこそが純粋な笑いの技術が問われるんだよ。

[111 Anonymous]

ドリフは受けるだろうな
マルクス兄弟からかなりパクってるし

松本人志もモンティ・パイソンの影響受けてる

[112 Anonymous]

日本のお笑いにしても、海外のコメディにしても
舞台等のライブな笑いについて、検証してんのかと思ったら・・・
なんでギャグアニメの話になってんだよ・・・
もうその時点でズレてる

[113 Anonymous]

政治風刺コメディってなんか厨二か高二な印象があるんだもん

[114 名無しさん]

>>110
良いこと言うね。

＞＞＞良質なコメディって大抵は何らかの知識と結びついてるんだよね

日本ならそういう方面は大喜利に行くんだよ
ただ社会ネタ拾って揶揄するだけで知的なレベルの高い笑いとか片腹痛いわ

[115 名無しさん]

ドリフは「バカ兄弟」こそ至高だろ。モンティ・パイソンにも負けない哲学性を持っている。

[116 あ]

やっぱ自国のが一番だな。
外国のは真顔で見たりしてしまう。内容的には楽しめるけど。アメリカのコメディを小さい頃見たとき、普通のドラマとして好きだった。

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